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is that Portland air traffic control

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tower in Portland

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uh I guess I have a UFO report for you

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okay

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do you have a fill in the blank form or

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where do you want me to start

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is this something that was reported

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recently yes last night okay can we get

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the party's name

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okay I got four people

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these four gentlemen work for Delta

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Airlines at Portland Maine okay okay

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either either mechanics and or ramp

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that's right next party

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and you have all the all the

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eyewitnesses the first four gentlemen

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we'll go ahead maybe you should ask me

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the questions and I'll give you the

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answers that's probably more effective

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but just a quick description with this

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uh well

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what they drew these these uh four

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people pretty much agreed that it was

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um

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actually what they drew it looked like a

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fedora hat basically okay maybe they

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estimated to be the top part of it was

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say 30 feet high but actually when he

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draws it looks like your typical Flying

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Saucer basically

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okay what they said was they were on the

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ramp

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at Portland

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was around 10 30 last night

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and three other people were on the

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ground the other individual was in the

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airplane

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and they were looking up at the cockpit

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so they were you know on the ground

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looking up and they saw this thing in

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the sky

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um

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to be about between a thousand fifteen

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hundred feet

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uh above ground level

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moving across the airport to the South

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say about 40 miles an hour 40 50 miles

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an hour

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and they could detect no sound from this

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thing at all okay and

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one of them or two of them said that

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there were no lights like navigation

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lights or anything like that but that at

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one point there was this brownish glow

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the whole thing was

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okay I got it okay and this other guy

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in an airplane coming up towards

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and I was I was a controller on duty at

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the airport and I estimated this thing

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to be

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way after I'd interviewed these people I

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estimated this thing should be down

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Southwest of Portland by say 15 miles or

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so and I ran the radar out and there was

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a Target out there

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now I asked this guy to go over and take

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a look at it

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they had this guy vectored right on top

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of this thing

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and he saw it momentarily

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and they they both said that this thing

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glowed like a dull brownish glow

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and I had them vectored right over top

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of the thing and back and forth and then

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they saw us momentarily then the thing

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disappeared he couldn't see it any

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longer and he was out there good

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a good 15-20 minutes you know without

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ever spotting it again did it leave your

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screen at the same time no I had a good

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maybe 10-15 minutes while I tracked it P

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is radar also attracted peace Air Force

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Base radar attracted

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they finally launched radar contact with

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it about 22 miles Southeast of peace

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okay

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what time did this all occur

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between well it was over the airport in

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Portland around 10 30 or so

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um zero three two zero it's been 11 20.

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the target was at uh 195 at 19 from

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Portland

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tracking about 195 degrees

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at about 40 to 50 knots okay

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strong return strong return yeah just

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you see a flock of birds and it changes

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shape you know and one hit you'll get a

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good return and then the next hit you

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don't this is a good solid return the

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whole time

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called The Weather Service and they said

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they didn't have any

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the last balloon they had sent out that

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raison balloon was up at seven o'clock

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and when I asked these ramp guys uh

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could have been a balloon they said no

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all right sir can we get your name yeah

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I'm area supervisor at the control tower

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Portland

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well we sure appreciate the information

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and if we get any follow-up on this

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we'll get back to you now please Air

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Force Base the controller's there also

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so this thing on radar okay and

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uh that was the other thing I wanted to

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say oh yeah this thing

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got to within about five miles uh the

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president's residence up in

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Kennebunkport

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and I talked to the Secret Service last

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night and also this morning

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and they would like to

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um

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I I guess I guess the main thrust is uh

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they don't want this publicized they

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want to investigate it certainly but not

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publicized

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because it's pretty sensitive type thing

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so that's their that's their main

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concern they certainly wanted to

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do without the

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if you need anything you can also talk

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to those people too they'd probably be

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interested

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and you know finding out what it was too

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they're probably going through their

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channels whatever they are right so

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okay just out of curiosity don't you

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guys have any like direct lines to NORAD

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or anybody like that no but they all

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carry our number they do and when people

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call them why they refer them to us

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right away

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they do yes

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do they ever call you back and ask about

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what what goes on or anything like that

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no they don't as a matter of fact

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that's really strange well they're

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pretty much out of it at least

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officially they're pretty much out of it

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and they don't put any time into it but

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have you had anything more on what was

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reported last night not a word

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nothing from anybody of course that

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doesn't mean other people didn't see it

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you know we have we figured that for

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every

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report we get where there's probably a

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thousand that we don't get so pretty big

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odds there

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well I was just wondering if anybody any

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other government agent agency got in

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touch with you no reference this thing

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no they didn't

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it's really strange

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we were I was going over the winds Aloft

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last night

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and uh

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basically the wind's Aloft

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I really don't line up with

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it had been a free floating object it

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doesn't make sense that it would be

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tracking the way it had been tracking

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at between one and two thousand feet it

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was like between 335 and 340 at about 18

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knots

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which three thousand feet it was 340 at

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20. and we don't get up until the 25

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knot range until you're up to 10 000

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feet and then it's still out of the

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Northwest 325 and 25. yes first time we

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come up wins at 50 knots it's up at

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flight level two zero zero

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and even at that it's still 3 15 at 50.

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which means if this thing was tracking

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195 to 200 degrees it was tracking

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against a kind of a crosswind yes

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pretty interesting to me did I forgot to

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ask you did that pilot ever give an

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estimate of the diameter of the object

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yeah around 300 feet he thought okay

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a 300 feet

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he before he

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before he made any mention to what he

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thought he saw his wife he says I know

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what I think I saw

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you tell me what you think you saw and

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she described exactly what he saw

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he was just in here about 15 minutes ago

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oh okay and he's going to be away for

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the next week or so he's uh he's got to

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get down to Trinidad to purchase some

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seafood or something then I'll be back

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but uh you know we were sitting here

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talking about this thing and can't

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figure out

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could be if if it was one of these high

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altitude balloons so to speak and he's

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real long huge balloons we would think

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it would be going along at 50 knots for

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one thing and the other thing is we

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don't see how it could possibly be

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tracking against a quartering wind well

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not only that it would be ascending too

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things are code it would have to have

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been coated with some type of metallic

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material to produce a radar return

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I got just a stronger return from this

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object as I did from the aircraft when

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it was out there circling around it

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yeah the only the only other thing is

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that I could see I've seen large flocks

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of geese and things like that now

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they'll certainly produce speeds uh that

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great and also give you a return it's

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just as strong as I observed

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there's no doubt about it they certainly

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wouldn't produce this glow we're talking

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about not only that you've got that

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close video from the aircraft too but

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you can't eliminate that sure yeah so is

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that the president's Retreat there isn't

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that uh restricted airspace it's it's

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prohibited airspace okay for what

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diameter well it's normally a one mile

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radius of the point but when he's here

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it's a three mile radius six miles

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across

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which would have put this object uh

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probably three miles from the uh

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the edge of the prohibited area and

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maybe six or seven miles or so something

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like that from the center of this thing

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and passed to the east of it so

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I'm surprised that the Air Force didn't

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scramble it yet on that well it would

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have had a tough time uh probably

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you know tracking something at 59. yeah

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you know you said scramble one

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helicopter that would have been that

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would have been it you know that would

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have been the ticket

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but uh I guess I don't understand why

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the lack of uh when you get something

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like this I would have think there have

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been more of a procedure in place and

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people you know that you call this guy

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he calls him he does this and this guy

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gets airborne and yeah but it doesn't

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yeah you have drawings of this they're

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sketches of the army

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um yeah I had a Delta guy draw it out

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and describe it it's

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I mean it's it's really uh

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very sketchy if you draw like a fedora

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hat it's basically that

285
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um

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everybody

287
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elliptical and Sheena are you familiar

288
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with approach plates a pilot's approach

289
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played to an airport there's like what

290
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they call something like a fan marker

291
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it's elliptical in shape and they said

292
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like a football oh okay like a like a

293
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football basically

294
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flat or turned up yeah

295
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uh well it's just like a football game

296
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flat you know flat yeah okay and shape

297
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and it's funny because you know the guy

298
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over at Delta and the guy

299
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in the airplane a half hour later 45

300
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minutes later described the same thing

301
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which you know

302
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so

303
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you know that's all I have okay well if

304
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we get any calls on it you'll be the

305
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first to hear about it oh thanks a lot

306
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okay thank you appreciate it full

307
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Reporting Center hi Bob how are you

308
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anything more on that thing from

309
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Saturday night not one word God I can't

310
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believe this that's very strange

311
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[Applause]

312
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I can't believe this like I said that uh

313
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there could have been a lot of other

314
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people who saw the object and just chose

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not to report it

316
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but there haven't been any inquiries

317
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from any other federal agencies or

318
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anything nothing

319
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[Applause]

320
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yes it is I was hoping for uh more calls

321
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[Applause]

322
00:13:38,870 --> 00:13:36,839
well what do you what do you do with

323
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this information you just filed away for

324
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future reference or what yeah we'll just

325
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have to sit on that and just hope that

326
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uh somebody will call on it

327
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of course it's considered a very good

328
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report anyway but we'd still like to get

329
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some more ground Witnesses

330
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okay what kind of

331
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what kind of other stuff do you look for

332
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when you have a situation like this just

333
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another report of the same

334
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same nature is that basically it yeah

335
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confirmation by other Witnesses is what

336
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we would be after

337
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oh I just listened to the to the tape

338
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of the conversation I had with the

339
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people on the ground yes

340
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and it was interesting

341
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I said it was

342
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White

343
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[Applause]

344
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white object and then when I went over

345
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and talked to the internet and

346
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okay and then it just for a moment at

347
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but I don't know you know as it got

348
00:14:44,030 --> 00:14:42,060
further away it might have appeared like

349
00:14:45,410 --> 00:14:44,040
a dark object or something it was right

350
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over the field that could have appeared

351
00:14:50,750 --> 00:14:48,480
white or something like that but

352
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really strange

353
00:14:56,750 --> 00:14:54,600
but I find interesting again is the fact

354
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that the guys on the ground describe

355
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something and then another guy in the

356
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airplane 35 miles away you know half

357
00:15:05,389 --> 00:15:03,980
hour later reported the same thing yeah

358
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[Applause]

359
00:15:09,050 --> 00:15:07,320
hmm

360
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well if he's glowed I would say his

361
00:15:11,310 --> 00:15:10,199
watch

362
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again

363
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[Applause]

364
00:15:20,030 --> 00:15:16,500
like I said I see returns like that yeah

365
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okay well I'll keep waiting hopefully

366
00:15:23,810 --> 00:15:21,899
something will happen okay we'll sure

367
00:15:25,790 --> 00:15:23,820
let you know if we get anything okay see

368
00:15:27,170 --> 00:15:25,800
you Bob thanks for calling

369
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yeah okay bye

370
00:15:30,410 --> 00:15:28,920
it's Bob Gribble of the UFO Reporting

371
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Center in Seattle hi Bob how are you

372
00:15:33,949 --> 00:15:31,620
fine

373
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I have a point of inquiry did you ever

374
00:15:39,829 --> 00:15:36,420
get any more input on that case in last

375
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August uh which one was that the one

376
00:15:43,730 --> 00:15:41,220
where the object was seen over the

377
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airport not a word I was

378
00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:45,240
hoping you would

379
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you would okay what if I haven't had a

380
00:15:52,009 --> 00:15:49,980
word at all nothing okay what about

381
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those Pilots the people who saw the

382
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thing from the aircraft did they ever

383
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have anything more to say he came in

384
00:16:00,410 --> 00:15:57,000
here

385
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when I talked to him extensively and uh

386
00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:03,180
he talked to the Chief and uh

387
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there was just

388
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[Applause]

389
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nothing else came of it and I'm I'm

390
00:16:14,329 --> 00:16:11,220
really kind of disappointed to tell you

391
00:16:16,970 --> 00:16:14,339
the truth I don't know why

392
00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:16,980
anything else but it just died I guess

393
00:16:20,090 --> 00:16:18,240
nobody else

394
00:16:22,910 --> 00:16:20,100
only people that I know were the adult

395
00:16:24,129 --> 00:16:22,920
people you know on the ground and a guy

396
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:24,139
that was Airborne

397
00:16:30,829 --> 00:16:28,079
but I haven't heard anything I was sort

398
00:16:32,569 --> 00:16:30,839
of hoping over the past months that uh

399
00:16:34,610 --> 00:16:32,579
you would have had something else and

400
00:16:36,170 --> 00:16:34,620
you would have called me with it but I

401
00:16:37,970 --> 00:16:36,180
haven't heard it I haven't even talked

402
00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:37,980
to the adult people again which I'm

403
00:16:42,410 --> 00:16:39,420
probably going to walk over and take on

404
00:16:44,329 --> 00:16:42,420
I'll see if they okay well the reason

405
00:16:46,490 --> 00:16:44,339
the main reason I called is I got a

406
00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:46,500
letter from a guy in San Francisco for

407
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,820
well no San Francisco area and uh for

408
00:16:56,749 --> 00:16:53,040
years he has specialized in Pilot

409
00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:56,759
sightings and he uh was inquiring he

410
00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:58,800
said have you heard anything about this

411
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:01,680
reported setting Over Kenny was it Kenny

412
00:17:06,010 --> 00:17:04,559
bunkport yeah yes that's uh the

413
00:17:09,409 --> 00:17:06,020
president's Hideout

414
00:17:11,090 --> 00:17:09,419
and he wanted to know if I had any

415
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:11,100
information on I thought gee that's

416
00:17:14,449 --> 00:17:12,959
strange where did he get it I don't know

417
00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:14,459
that's just it

418
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:17,880
this was San Francisco yeah what was he

419
00:17:22,189 --> 00:17:20,400
was he a pilot uh no he used I believe

420
00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:22,199
he's retired but he used to work for

421
00:17:26,750 --> 00:17:25,199
NASA yeah down there did you ask him

422
00:17:28,370 --> 00:17:26,760
where he got his information no this was

423
00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:28,380
in letter form so I haven't had a chance

424
00:17:33,870 --> 00:17:30,360
to get back to him what's the guy's name

425
00:17:38,330 --> 00:17:35,710
[Applause]

426
00:17:40,030 --> 00:17:38,340
hold on a second I got an airplane can

427
00:17:43,630 --> 00:17:40,040
you hold on one second sure yeah

428
00:17:49,930 --> 00:17:47,029
I'm sorry yeah that's okay yeah his name

429
00:17:51,850 --> 00:17:49,940
was Richard Haynes

430
00:17:54,650 --> 00:17:51,860
h-e-i-n-e-s

431
00:17:56,210 --> 00:17:54,660
I thought maybe somebody back there had

432
00:17:56,930 --> 00:17:56,220
did some talking to the press or

433
00:18:01,630 --> 00:17:56,940
something no no

434
00:18:05,570 --> 00:18:01,640
[Applause]

435
00:18:07,130 --> 00:18:05,580
you never went that route okay no not a

436
00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:07,140
thing so you were going to send me a

437
00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:13,210
[Applause]

438
00:18:16,450 --> 00:18:15,480
[Music]

439
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:16,460
a note here

440
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:21,360
[Applause]

441
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:23,280
okay

442
00:18:32,690 --> 00:18:30,130
remember that one June or July

443
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:32,700
uh what was that again guy was on the

444
00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:33,360
road

445
00:18:36,529 --> 00:18:35,520
remember the guy was coming down 95 on

446
00:18:38,810 --> 00:18:36,539
the road

447
00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:38,820
oh yes yeah yeah he came back up here

448
00:18:43,610 --> 00:18:40,160
physically

449
00:18:44,930 --> 00:18:43,620
and uh you know I wanted to know if

450
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:44,940
there was anything

451
00:18:52,810 --> 00:18:48,720
and I said not a word huh there's two

452
00:18:55,789 --> 00:18:52,820
right there absolutely nothing okay okay

453
00:18:57,950 --> 00:18:55,799
yeah that's pretty sensitive issue so

454
00:18:58,909 --> 00:18:57,960
okay another one about the other one

455
00:19:02,710 --> 00:18:58,919
about

456
00:19:04,850 --> 00:19:02,720
um you know you know I don't see

457
00:19:06,110 --> 00:19:04,860
I don't see any problem with that that

458
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:06,120
was done

459
00:19:11,570 --> 00:19:08,880
as you know through the order that

460
00:19:13,370 --> 00:19:11,580
police were notified yeah you were and I

461
00:19:15,529 --> 00:19:13,380
even had the guy checked out I even

462
00:19:17,810 --> 00:19:15,539
talked to the police and had the guy

463
00:19:19,150 --> 00:19:17,820
checked out and he was okay okay he

464
00:19:22,190 --> 00:19:19,160
wasn't a cougar or anything

465
00:19:24,650 --> 00:19:22,200
so I you know that's why I called you

466
00:19:26,650 --> 00:19:24,660
with it very good the only thing that

467
00:19:30,529 --> 00:19:26,660
was out of

468
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:30,539
you know not exactly to regulation was

469
00:19:34,610 --> 00:19:32,160
the fact that I called you yeah

470
00:19:36,049 --> 00:19:34,620
basically in the book it says we're

471
00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:36,059
supposed to furnish him with the phone

472
00:19:39,230 --> 00:19:37,980
number but what the hell he was right

473
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,240
there and I said you want me to do this

474
00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:41,760
he said sure go ahead and it was just a

475
00:19:45,409 --> 00:19:44,460
matter of uh you know I I did the

476
00:19:46,510 --> 00:19:45,419
calling instead of just giving up the

477
00:19:47,930 --> 00:19:46,520
number the number yeah

478
00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:47,940
[Applause]

479
00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:49,320
that's it you know you can do anything

480
00:19:54,890 --> 00:19:51,240
with that one that you want

481
00:19:57,890 --> 00:19:54,900
those guys you know adamant as to what

482
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:57,900
now and you know so the guys at the

483
00:20:01,789 --> 00:20:00,240
airport in Portland you get four guys

484
00:20:03,649 --> 00:20:01,799
saying all the same thing it's hard to

485
00:20:08,210 --> 00:20:03,659
believe they didn't and there wasn't

486
00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:08,220
something there right so you know but I

487
00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:10,500
know it was nothing and it was done

488
00:20:15,289 --> 00:20:13,500
things might have been done at other

489
00:20:19,390 --> 00:20:15,299
levels that I'm just absolutely not

490
00:20:22,909 --> 00:20:19,400
aware of or privy to I don't know

491
00:20:24,770 --> 00:20:22,919
wow maybe there's a possibility that uh

492
00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:24,780
some of those people on the ground or

493
00:20:28,970 --> 00:20:26,760
even that pilot and the party that was

494
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:28,980
with him did a little bit of Gossip you

495
00:20:33,169 --> 00:20:30,960
know things were spread Word of Mouth

496
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,179
maybe they did but certainly nothing

497
00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:35,760
nothing in the papers here yeah okay and

498
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:38,520
I'm glad of it too because I you know I

499
00:20:45,049 --> 00:20:42,720
uh swore both of our friends down all

500
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,059
further south here that hey you know

501
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,280
they just don't need that kind of stuff

502
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:49,200
their life is complicated enough with

503
00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:52,320
the job that yeah you bet okay I don't

504
00:20:58,190 --> 00:20:56,700
know geez I I wish God that I wish I

505
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:58,200
knew more about these things I'm just so

506
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:02,159
ignorant of what it has happened to date

507
00:21:05,630 --> 00:21:03,840
ever since this first started you know

508
00:21:06,649 --> 00:21:05,640
reporting these things first started why

509
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:06,659
did the Air Force get out of the

510
00:21:10,850 --> 00:21:08,820
business just out of curiosity well I

511
00:21:12,730 --> 00:21:10,860
think they had a wildcat on their back

512
00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:12,740
and they wanted to get rid of it after

513
00:21:18,730 --> 00:21:16,380
19 or 20 years

514
00:21:23,649 --> 00:21:18,740
they've got the answers

515
00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:23,659
and not only that but from the

516
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:28,260
good information that I have read uh the

517
00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:31,919
CIA stepped in and says hey you guys are

518
00:21:37,149 --> 00:21:33,960
not doing this the way it should be done

519
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:37,159
you're talking too much and as of now

520
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:39,679
just goodbye

521
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,720
really yeah but I think that they were

522
00:21:49,010 --> 00:21:45,120
glad to get rid of it sure because they

523
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,020
they had their big job to do and this

524
00:21:54,169 --> 00:21:52,080
was a pain in the ass yeah but how do

525
00:21:55,970 --> 00:21:54,179
they get information from now do they

526
00:21:57,529 --> 00:21:55,980
come to you for information no but they

527
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:57,539
do give out our number

528
00:22:03,529 --> 00:22:00,720
they do yeah and we know that they are

529
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:03,539
conducting various investigations when

530
00:22:09,230 --> 00:22:05,100
these things are seen over military

531
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,240
facilities but they do it on the QT

532
00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:11,280
and when we know that they're operating

533
00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:12,900
we just don't say anything and just let

534
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:14,940
it go with that yeah because we can

535
00:22:20,090 --> 00:22:17,039
understand their problem sure and they

536
00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:20,100
had a heck of a one too yeah

537
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,440
the resources the the funds and Manpower

538
00:22:28,370 --> 00:22:25,440
that were that were probably involved

539
00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:28,380
were staggering I would think at the

540
00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:31,140
time that these things wouldn't take I

541
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:32,280
mean it's not like you're going downtown

542
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,520
to investigate some one person or

543
00:22:39,710 --> 00:22:36,720
something like that you know you're

544
00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:39,720
talking about a lot of resources a lot

545
00:22:43,789 --> 00:22:41,340
of people and time's been interviewing

546
00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:43,799
and well not only that but we had

547
00:22:49,330 --> 00:22:46,200
information that uh you know they had

548
00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:49,340
their own reporting uh

549
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,020
uh centers their own for their own

550
00:22:55,310 --> 00:22:53,760
information intelligence and everything

551
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,320
in their own circuits going from

552
00:23:00,169 --> 00:22:57,600
facility to facility it got to the point

553
00:23:03,610 --> 00:23:00,179
where the whole system was being clogged

554
00:23:05,149 --> 00:23:03,620
by UFO reports yeah yeah

555
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:05,159
so

556
00:23:15,049 --> 00:23:12,240
yet not you very rarely see you know

557
00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:15,059
very really hit some papers yeah but I

558
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,980
think did you get the you got that last

559
00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:19,200
copy of information we sent out didn't

560
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,980
you

561
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,600
which was that well there was a

562
00:23:25,970 --> 00:23:23,280
phenomena research report and then the

563
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,980
UFO setting updates attached to it all

564
00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:27,360
right did you send that to me directly

565
00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:29,820
no I sent it to the tower oh I didn't

566
00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:31,740
they if they knew it was coming here

567
00:23:37,149 --> 00:23:35,220
they probably kept it for me because you

568
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,159
know they think I'm a cook

569
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:39,600
you want me to send some stuff directly

570
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,279
to you oh yeah yeah if you have anything

571
00:23:45,380 --> 00:23:44,159
like that don't I mean how about to your

572
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:45,390
home address

573
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,080
[Applause]

574
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,400
or you can send it to the tower but as

575
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,320
long as it's just addressed to me okay

576
00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:54,000
and nobody else will open it certainly

577
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,320
it's all right I'll get it in the mail

578
00:23:59,630 --> 00:23:57,840
yeah you got the address here yeah I got

579
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,640
it out of your directory oh okay yeah

580
00:24:02,810 --> 00:24:01,679
that'd be super but if you had already

581
00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:02,820
sent something to me and it wasn't

582
00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:04,860
addressed specifically to me it was

583
00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:08,700
probably deep sixth so uh you know it's

584
00:24:13,850 --> 00:24:10,440
like anything else you're you're in that

585
00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:13,860
yeah I know but it's like you know when

586
00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:15,720
I called down south here and I said hey

587
00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:18,059
you guys won't believe this but you know

588
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,220
I gotta call this dude because I can't

589
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:22,559
can't take any

590
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,760
chance

591
00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:25,860
and it's like you have to be kidding I

592
00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:27,539
said make do with it what you want but

593
00:24:32,649 --> 00:24:29,700
I'm making the report now here it is

594
00:24:36,289 --> 00:24:32,659
yeah so uh you know

595
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:36,299
I don't know yeah it's funny

596
00:24:38,690 --> 00:24:37,620
it just happened

597
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:38,700
movies

598
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,500
it's always this group you know they

599
00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:43,440
think you guys it's not and then only in

600
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:45,299
the movies they're they're proven to be

601
00:24:49,690 --> 00:24:46,980
in the you know there's always a happy

602
00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:49,700
ending yeah you know the guy's always

603
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:52,500
Vindicated somehow but I've yet to be

604
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,500
Vindicated but I think

605
00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:58,320
and I'm just doing my job the best way I

606
00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:59,820
can

607
00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:01,080
somebody looks at me a little weird

608
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:06,409
screen reader and I don't have a crystal

609
00:25:11,690 --> 00:25:08,100
ball I can only go with the information

610
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:11,700
as I see it right I'm certainly not in a

611
00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:14,460
habit or business or

612
00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:20,820
applying to fabricate stuff like this so

613
00:25:25,149 --> 00:25:22,740
I'd rather do it and look like a nut and

614
00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:25,159
not do it and have something happen and

615
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,000
really without the rest of my account so

616
00:25:33,169 --> 00:25:31,440
okay well I'll get the stuff in the mail

617
00:25:35,570 --> 00:25:33,179
for you and if I come up with anything

618
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:35,580
additional to that I'll let you know

619
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,080
about it okay are you the only person

620
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,880
that may answer this place no there's

621
00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:40,799
two of us yeah because every time I call

622
00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:42,120
out there you're the only one working

623
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:44,760
yeah well I'm retired so I got lots of

624
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:47,220
time oh I see okay

625
00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:49,260
uh just one question did the military

626
00:25:55,090 --> 00:25:51,539
ask you for information

627
00:26:00,529 --> 00:25:57,710
occasionally it isn't something that

628
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,539
happens all the time oh really but uh we

629
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:03,120
do get calls here from military bases

630
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:05,760
giving us information and reference to

631
00:26:11,030 --> 00:26:09,299
names and phone numbers and they do pass

632
00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:11,040
out our number frequently

633
00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:13,080
[Applause]

634
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:14,700
music

635
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:16,440
in practice we got about the same

636
00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:20,720
coverage with the weather service and uh

637
00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:24,120
well all the military-based Army Navy

638
00:26:27,770 --> 00:26:25,740
Coast Guard and whatever

639
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,780
[Applause]

640
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:29,279
[Music]

641
00:26:33,409 --> 00:26:31,080
well if I find anything more I'll

642
00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:33,419
certainly not get this stuff in email to

643
00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:35,159
him but uh do you find anything don't

644
00:26:39,289 --> 00:26:37,140
don't hesitate to give me a call it sure

645
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:39,299
will I'm sure interested matter of fact

646
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:40,860
maybe I'll walk over and talk to these

647
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:43,320
guys ever done again with next week or

648
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:46,880
so I'm just you know those around and

649
00:26:52,909 --> 00:26:50,159
see if they still adhere to their story

650
00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:52,919
basically okay I'll tell you what I want

651
00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:54,299
to do I'm going to also send you some

652
00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:56,580
back issues of this stuff yeah you'll

653
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:58,919
find that very very informative I I will

654
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,679
I'm sure we will because I'll be the

655
00:27:06,289 --> 00:27:02,960
first to admit up

656
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,299
hey my knowledge of that is ahead of the

657
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:08,400
movies and I'm sure it's not real

658
00:27:18,049 --> 00:27:14,090
get information as it as it really is

659
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,059
and you know okay thanks very much I